Comments on: RHAE 6 http://www.fourthnight.com/2009/09/rhae-6/ By Constantine Markides. Essays, Journalism, Fiction, Photography, Video, Reality Shows, and other etceteras. Thu, 15 Jul 2010 21:03:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Rhae http://www.fourthnight.com/2009/09/rhae-6/comment-page-1/#comment-2602 Rhae Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:41:39 +0000 http://www.fourthnight.com/?p=3043#comment-2602 Eros, I don't mind the grief. Our discussions would be lifeless and fruitless if we were always in amicable agreement. Eros, I don’t mind the grief. Our discussions would be lifeless and fruitless if we were always in amicable agreement.

]]> By: Rhae http://www.fourthnight.com/2009/09/rhae-6/comment-page-1/#comment-2601 Rhae Wed, 07 Oct 2009 03:36:27 +0000 http://www.fourthnight.com/?p=3043#comment-2601 I agree with the first part of Gerson's statement, Jodi, but like JDEvolutionist, not with the second part (although I think you lost us all after your first sentence, JDEv). I would be wary any time the words "art" and "must" are used in the same sentence. I side with the Socratic maxim. What I know is that I don't know what art is. I am skeptical, to put it lightly, of those who seek to impose restrictive conditions on its definition. I agree with the first part of Gerson’s statement, Jodi, but like JDEvolutionist, not with the second part (although I think you lost us all after your first sentence, JDEv). I would be wary any time the words “art” and “must” are used in the same sentence. I side with the Socratic maxim. What I know is that I don’t know what art is. I am skeptical, to put it lightly, of those who seek to impose restrictive conditions on its definition.

]]> By: JDEvolutionist http://www.fourthnight.com/2009/09/rhae-6/comment-page-1/#comment-2572 JDEvolutionist Tue, 06 Oct 2009 09:33:17 +0000 http://www.fourthnight.com/?p=3043#comment-2572 Don't understand that Jodi - I would say that one of the beauties of art is that it does not have to be about truth. It is in fact an expression of the mind and as such is able to be quite independent of truth. The value then becomes the potential it has for inspiring the truth of tomorrow. For me truth is a dimension and exists, with time, in the 'present' of evolution - (is that just verbal diarrhoea?) - it makes sense to me anyway!! Don’t understand that Jodi – I would say that one of the beauties of art is that it does not have to be about truth. It is in fact an expression of the mind and as such is able to be quite independent of truth. The value then becomes the potential it has for inspiring the truth of tomorrow. For me truth is a dimension and exists, with time, in the ‘present’ of evolution – (is that just verbal diarrhoea?) – it makes sense to me anyway!!

]]> By: danpowell http://www.fourthnight.com/2009/09/rhae-6/comment-page-1/#comment-2568 danpowell Tue, 06 Oct 2009 06:25:48 +0000 http://www.fourthnight.com/?p=3043#comment-2568 I'll check that link out, thanks. I’ll check that link out, thanks.

]]> By: Eros http://www.fourthnight.com/2009/09/rhae-6/comment-page-1/#comment-2564 Eros Tue, 06 Oct 2009 04:28:36 +0000 http://www.fourthnight.com/?p=3043#comment-2564 Rhea, I hope you know that i wasn't give you any grief about your use of characters. I like the way you have been writing a bit of your character, a little bit of history. I think it works great. Jodi, I think you're right that would be a better discussion.:) Love, Eros Rhea, I hope you know that i wasn’t give you any grief about your use of characters. I like the way you have been writing a bit of your character, a little bit of history. I think it works great.

Jodi, I think you’re right that would be a better discussion.:)

Love, Eros

]]> By: Jodi Cleghorn http://www.fourthnight.com/2009/09/rhae-6/comment-page-1/#comment-2563 Jodi Cleghorn Tue, 06 Oct 2009 04:21:32 +0000 http://www.fourthnight.com/?p=3043#comment-2563 I thought of you today Rhae when I read Mark Gerson's tweet earlier today: "Art isn't necessarily about facts. But it must be about truth." Perhaps we should be in discussions about truth in writing rather than characters? I thought of you today Rhae when I read Mark Gerson’s tweet earlier today: “Art isn’t necessarily about facts. But it must be about truth.”

Perhaps we should be in discussions about truth in writing rather than characters?

]]> By: Rhae http://www.fourthnight.com/2009/09/rhae-6/comment-page-1/#comment-2560 Rhae Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:21:21 +0000 http://www.fourthnight.com/?p=3043#comment-2560 I'd be deceiving myself if I said I had no desire to win. But it's become apparent that my interest in fiction lies elsewhere than it does with the general reader. I could of course change my writing to satisfy the readers' wants. But although I am not a priori opposed to the "by any means necessary" philosophy in politics, I have no interest in applying it to Fourth Fiction. I’d be deceiving myself if I said I had no desire to win. But it’s become apparent that my interest in fiction lies elsewhere than it does with the general reader. I could of course change my writing to satisfy the readers’ wants. But although I am not a priori opposed to the “by any means necessary” philosophy in politics, I have no interest in applying it to Fourth Fiction.

]]> By: Rhae http://www.fourthnight.com/2009/09/rhae-6/comment-page-1/#comment-2559 Rhae Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:10:40 +0000 http://www.fourthnight.com/?p=3043#comment-2559 Dan, you may find a few of those (anti) novels here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouveau_roman Dan, you may find a few of those (anti) novels here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouveau_roman

]]> By: JDEvolutionist http://www.fourthnight.com/2009/09/rhae-6/comment-page-1/#comment-2550 JDEvolutionist Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:31:08 +0000 http://www.fourthnight.com/?p=3043#comment-2550 Rhae, have to agree with Dan, Jodi and others. Whatever your concepts and aims may be, the fact is that the line you are taking has lost general appeal for many through it lack of a human element, the element that makes Shakespeare and Bronte etc retain popularity. Wherever evolution is taking us there is still a very strong interest in how we, as individuals, interact, behave and develop character. The lack of that human element in your story line is having a negative impact on the appeal of your contribution especially in terms of competition, where participation is presumably based around a desire to win! Rhae, have to agree with Dan, Jodi and others. Whatever your concepts and aims may be, the fact is that the line you are taking has lost general appeal for many through it lack of a human element, the element that makes Shakespeare and Bronte etc retain popularity. Wherever evolution is taking us there is still a very strong interest in how we, as individuals, interact, behave and develop character. The lack of that human element in your story line is having a negative impact on the appeal of your contribution especially in terms of competition, where participation is presumably based around a desire to win!

]]> By: danpowell http://www.fourthnight.com/2009/09/rhae-6/comment-page-1/#comment-2549 danpowell Mon, 05 Oct 2009 06:44:27 +0000 http://www.fourthnight.com/?p=3043#comment-2549 My point about experimental fiction was more a response to Annasbones than your good self Rhae. I agree, great fiction also needs great ideas (which all of those examples I listed have). One question though? Where are all these novels without character? Because I can't think of even one. My point about experimental fiction was more a response to Annasbones than your good self Rhae. I agree, great fiction also needs great ideas (which all of those examples I listed have).

One question though? Where are all these novels without character? Because I can’t think of even one.

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